Tuesday, 9 July 2013

Real Estate Investing Education "Subject To"

How to take over existing properties "Subject To" the existing loans

How to get Amazing Results Buying and Selling Houses for Profit

I want to walk through subject to investing just to make sure everyone understands that this is your best strategy for making money investing in real estate in today’s market.

Ok, first off let me explain exactly, what is subject to. Subject to investing is taking over the existing loan without paying the underlying loan off. When we take over loans subject to, the loan stays in place and the seller stays on title until we’re able to sell it sometime in the near future.

Now, most new investors will ask how can you take over an existing loan that way and leave it in the sellers name when all loans nowadays have a due on sale clause?

I get asked all the time…Won’t the lender call the loan due? Well, my answer is they certainly can. Will the
lender call the loan due? Not likely as long as the payments are being made. The banks don’t want houses they want payments and as long as they have a performing asset they are not going to call the loan due in order to have a non performing asset.

Just to give you an example of this. I was doing a short sale on a property here in Orlando last year. I only had 2 weeks to get this short sale completed before the first lien was taking the property to the court house steps for auction.

The second lien holder had no problem discounting their inferior lien, to where I was willing to pay them off at closing. I got all the paperwork in place to bring the first current. I sent in the paperwork to the first lien holder and it came back to me in the mail because I forgot to write the loan number on the check.

Needless to say the property went to the courthouse steps to be auctioned.  Fortunately nobody bid on this particular property, so the bank called me back to see if I was still interested. I told the bank that I was, but I wasn’t willing to pay cash. I asked them, would they be willing to let me take over the existing loan and bring it current. I thought for sure they’d say NO, but she told me, she would have to check with her supervisor first. She called back the next day and said yes, they would, but they needed the payment within 5 days. I said Great send me a reinstatement figure. I then called the second and paid them off and sent the check to the first to take-over the existing loan with their permission.

Now everyone I told that story to, said well wasn’t the second lien already cleared off when the first foreclosed. To be completely honest I don’t know and I didn’t care. I had a property worth $235,000.00 dollars with an existing first lien of $119,000.00 and a second worth 93K. I got the second to take 5K for a full pay off.

So I had well over 100K dollars in equity. I’m telling you the story because banks don’t want property they want payments and the bank proved it when they agreed to let me take it over.

So you should always make sure you’re never putting yourself in a position to lose. If the lender decided to say NO to my offer, what’s the worst that can happen?  I would have lost nothing but a really good deal and a little bit of pride because I screwed it up by not having the loan # on the check.


OK, let’s get into the paperwork needed to accomplish a subject to.

Number one. You need a motivated seller. They must need to sell, and have a reason why.
Their facing foreclosure, their being relocated, the house is in bad condition, they’re getting divorced or they can’t afford the payments any more. These are folks who need to sell, not want to sell. You should now the difference.

Number two. You must get a purchase and sale agreement signed by the sellers and an authorization to release lending information. You’re also going to need the seller’s last statement from the lender so you can call and get information on the loan. Whether it’s to bring the loan current, make sure the loan doesn’t have a pre-payment penalty on it. To see if it’s a fixed or adjustable rate mortgage and what the length of the loan is 15 years 20 years or a 30 year loan. You’ll also want to know if the loan includes taxes and insurance.

Number three. Call the bank and tell them that you are a third party trying to get information on a loan. Ask them where you fax the authorization to release lending information and how long before the authorization is in the system. It’s usually within 72 hours. Call back and get the information you need. If the property is in foreclosure you’re going to have to get the phone # to the loss mitigation dept and refax the authorization to them specifically.

Number 4. You or your attorney must also get the sellers to sign these basic contract forms. If you don’t have them, their in the back office of the website and in your buying and selling houses for profit manual as well. OK, number 1

 ·        Disclosure letter- this document lets everyone know that the seller is completely aware of  
                    the due on sale clause and that you’re not making any promises.

·        Power of attorney- this gives you the right to sell the property or do anything you need to do specifically with this property only.

·        Escrow letter- If the seller has their insurance escrowed the lender will apply it to the loan balance when you sell the property.

·        Change of address- This lets the lender know where to send the payments.

·        Assignment of beneficial interest- Seller signs this giving you their total interest in the land trust. You are now the owners of the property.

·        Trustee’s deed- places the property into a land trust.

·        Notice to lender- lets the lender know that the property has been put into a land trust and states the law that allows it along with new instructions on insurance and payments.

Getting these forms signed places the property into a Land Trust. Let me explain.

When the seller's sign a Trustee's Deed, that document is placing the property into a Land Trust, which gets recorded into the courthouse records. Then the assignment of beneficial interest gets signed by the seller giving you all the interest in the property that you’ve taken subject to.

If anyone was to look up this property in the court house records or online they would still see the original owner on title. They’ll never see who the real owner is without a court order. Now if someone does a title search on the property they will know that the property is in a trust but they won’t know who holds the interest in the trust until you sell the property. That’s the power of the Land Trust. You should never buy a property without using a Land Trust.

Ok, next you’ll want to make sure you fill out the Declaration of Trust. This has nothing to do with the seller. The Declaration of Trust explains who the Trustee is and who are the individuals who own the interest in the trust and how much interest each individual has. This document never gets recorded and no one but the Trustee and the interest holders see this document.

Ok, now you need to put insurance on the property in your own name. If the sellers insurance is escrowed you need to have the seller cancel the insurance after you have put a new policy in place. The insurance policy should read as follows.

Insured… 1324 Greensboro Road Land Trust.

Do not let your insurance agent put your name on the insurance policy. If you have a problem with your insurance agent tell them that you’re insuring the trust. Make sure you send the “notice to lender” document explaining that the property was put into a land trust and exactly where you want the payments to go. It’s usually your address so you can make the payments on the property until you sell it.

All properties are allowed by law to be placed into a Land Trust. The law is the Garn St. Germains act of 1982 which allows any homeowner to place their property into a land trust for estate planning purposes. If you’re refinancing a property that’s in a land trust you are in most cases going to have to remove it from the land trust and then put it back in its no big deal it’s only one piece of paper to be filed and your attorney will do it for you.

There you have the basics of a subject to. I can spend one full day teaching every aspect of the subject to but if you let your attorney do all the paperwork then you really don’t need to know much more. If you’re doing these on your own then you’ll need to get familiar with all the documents it’s not hard you only need to do 3-4 before you get the hang of it. Make sure when you’re dealing with your attorney, that you send them the paperwork you want filled out and they will do for you. Most attorney’s will not have all this paperwork readily available, so if you e-mail the documents to your attorney or title company and let them know you want the seller to sign these particular papers at closing, they’ll make it happen for you.

Now! I want to drill into you, why you must never pay cash unless the deal is so good that you can’t pass it up. If you’re going to go down and get loans from a bank you’re going to need to put at least 10% - 20% down on an investment property. Their will be no more 100% financing the banks want you to have some skin in the game.

When you take over properties subject to, you can get in with little money down. And if you’re doing it right it won’t be your money. You should always be looking for private lenders. The worst number as I’ve said before is the number one. If you only have one way to market, one way to buy property, or one funding source,  your business is built on a poor foundation, and it’s only time before it comes crashing down.

If you come across a property that has little equity but the payments are low enough to make at least 100.00 dollars net cash flow then just do a lease option on the property where you’re at no risk whatsoever. I see to many investors trying to find the perfect deal.

Let me share this secret with you. “The perfect deal doesn’t exist". You should be educated in the 5 profit centers in real estate investing and you should be able to put together offers that solve the seller’s situation. Every time a deal comes across your desk you should automatically say to yourself… Self, can I wholesale it, retail it, take over the payments, lease option or option it.

If you’re sitting around waiting for the perfect deal to fall in your lap, you mine as well go down to your local grocery store and buy all the lottery tickets you can, because it’s the same thing it’s called gambling. I see investors all the time sitting around waiting for something to happen.

I can almost guarantee them something will happen, It’s called "bankruptcy". You need to get off your bum and make something happen nobody is going to hand you anything and remember this… if it is FREE; it’s usually worth exactly what you paid for it…NOTHING!

Success is never cheap let alone FREE. If it were free, everyone would be making 7 figure incomes. I’ve always preached, look at what everyone else is doing and do the complete opposite. Why you might ask, because we know for a fact that the top earners in our country are made up of only 5% ... and the rest are made up of 95%, so doesn’t it make sense to look around to see what everyone else is doing and do something different, If you do you’ll soon be in the top 5%.

The 95% think because they made it through high school or college that their education is over, while the 5% make it a daily habit of reading and educating themselves in their chosen field. I just read a staggering statistic last week. 67% of Americans do not read one book per year. So, It’s not hard to figure out how to get into the 5% if you so choose to. I personally read more than 100 books per year and I can say emphatically that it’s changed my life forever.

Ok, I just want to touch on lead flow for a minute because I know that this was a problem for me when I first started. If you’re marketing your business properly you should have at least 1-3 leads coming in each day. If you don’t sooner or later you’re going to try to make chicken shit into chicken salad and I can guarantee you that you won’t like it. So keep marketing because your leads are your life line to success.

Real estate or real mistake?

You need an agent-and other fairy tales!

Is private selling a mistake? A real estate agent doesn't think so and here's why..

Let’s be clear here – the author of this article is a real estate agent. Not a newbie either but with 10 years in the industry.

As an agent I should despise private sellers or FSBO’s as they are called in the States. Right? The For Sale by Owners and myself should be sworn enemies yes? Natural born enemies like a dog is to a cat, like an lion relates to an antelope, we should be at each other’s  throats shouldn’t we?  Well actually…. no!

I run a business that assists people to sell their own home without the need for a real estate agent and I’m here to dispel some myths once and for all.

People, you have been hoodwinked…..

To be precise you have been conned for the past 100 years.

Agents want you to believe that you absolutely need them in order to get your property sold. They want you to imagine that you cannot possibly attempt the gargantuan task of selling without their assistance. They want you to believe that they have almost superhuman powers of persuasion, legendary marketing prowess and sublime negotiating skills.

Never mind that those 3 things are almost superfluous to getting a property sold. Never mind that most agents have had next to no training that genuinely fits them to sell your home.

Now the agents will sing you a very different tune off course. They will assure you with absolute tenacity that selling a home by yourself is perilous. ( After 10 years in the industry I’m yet to hear of even one case of a private seller getting themselves in trouble ) No doubt it has happened but I have never yet seen it and I deal with FSBO’S on a daily basis. I have however seen agents make a grand old mess of things from time to time.


Of course you must employ an agents services to set the correct price mustn’t you? Hmmm? This particular myth has to be right up there with the tooth fairy. Nothing against the tooth fairy because there is at least the anecdotal evidence of children for the fairy’s existence, while there is no such evidence to suggest agents can price property accurately.

There is however plenty of evidence to the contrary. In the week preceding this article I happened upon two instances where the private sellers used several different agents to give them initial market appraisals. Astonishingly, given that the homes were in the 400K’s range , the market opinions varied by tens of thousands. In one case on a property worth nominally around $450,000 two agents had prices that were $100,000 apart.

How is this possible? How can two supposedly professional, knowledgeable agents quote such disparate figures. Well the answer is surprisingly simple. Some agents are incredibly incompetent…and some agents are very competent but want a listing so bad they will attempt to buy it rather than let it go to their competitor. My point here is straightforward. You can price a property just as accurately as any agent can. In fact I suspect that most private sellers do a better job of it and here’s why…

Agents  view and sell property that is in vastly differing price brackets. Some are two hundred thousand and some may be two million. But you are an expert in your narrow price range. You can take 2 days studying the listings in your local area via the internet and newspaper. I guarantee you can be more up to speed than your local agent for your particular property price and type. Nowadays there are also very inexpensive market reports and sales figures available for your area so there is no reason at all not to be able to get an accurate price on your property without an agents help.

Ok so let’s consider that myth laid to rest. Of course you do need the agent to market your property at least, ahem, don’t you?

Well yes and ….no…but mainly no. If you are going to do a half baked attempt at selling by yourself then yes indeed, you are better off sticking to an agent. On the other hand, if you make an even remotely genuine attempt you can easily get more than enough exposure for your property, all by yourself. The reason for this is that this amazing tool known as the internet has leveled the playing field. You can get your property seen by as many people as you need with little effort or cost. The agents only monopoly, that of marketing, has now been broken and the private house seller is the beneficiary.

Perhaps the, if pricing isn’t a problem and marketing is within anyone’s reach then surely the negotiation part is where the agents shine right ? Oh dear…

An agent is running a business and that business involves he or she securing a commission for services rendered. This is  a very inappropriate starting point for someone attempting to negotiate a sale between a buyer and seller. The negotiations most often come down to price and who has the whip hand? Someone who is seeking a commission or someone who is  selling their own home and who has the benefit of many thousands in commission savings to allow more flexibility in price if needed?

In my experience agents training involves how to sell… to their listing clients ..and very little about how to sell to buyers. In any case the role of negotiation while genuinely important is very much over estimated, because at the end of the day – houses sell themselves!

Price a property correctly and so long as there are buyers around, they will beat a path to your door. My industry experience involves Australian real estate but these same principles and truisms hold true equally in the Unites States, England,Canada,New Zealand...anywhere. Over price your property and you can forget selling unless you are very , very lucky.
If there are no buyers or if you price far too high the neither an agent or a private sale will eventuate. Get the price wrong and no amount of marketing will compensate for that. Essentially you’ll be just informing an ever greater number of potential buyers that your property is priced to high.
The house will sell itself if you let it AND if there are buyers around. Sometimes there simply aren’t any.

No one knows the home like the owner so why on earth do we insist on believing the fairy tale that an agent can do a better job of selling your home. The reason is simple. It’s because that agents will describe all manner of reasons why you will fail and they will sound plausible ( remember they are trained to sell to you, not to buyers ) The stories are coming from an authority figure. You may not like agents but they know real estate don’t they?

The agents will point out the property down the road which is being sold privately and remains on the market with no offers after 6 months. Yet somehow they find no time and have no desire to tell you about the listings on their own books that have sat with them for 18 months. That’s different they will say. That owner’s price is too high and no agent can sell if the price is set too high by an unreasonable owner. Do you see their story unraveling in front of your very eyes?

One last point. There seems to be another misconception that private selling is terribly stressful, as though using an agent will be a cakewalk for you. It seems to me that anytime you introduce an unnecessary third party it can only add to the potential for stress. If you think that by using a real estate agent that you will somehow not need to negotiate etc then you are in for a rude awakening. This is because instead of negotiating with a buyer suddenly you will be negotiating with both a buyer ( indirectly ) AND the agent as well.

If you really think that you need a realtor to sell your property then you are probably right and no article will convince you otherwise. But know this. If you are using an agent you are bound to have exactly the same hurdles and exactly the same challenges. The only difference is that you’ll be paying handsomely for the feeling of assistance you may or may not receive from your realtor. Estate agents have been pulling the wool over the publics eyes for years but the jig is up.

The wool over the eyes analogy is appropriate because you dear private seller are being treated like so many sheep in a big herd.

If you want to sell your own home, do some basic research to get an accurate price. Place a sign outside your property, place it on a well trafficked internet site and then be patient. If an agent tries undermining your attempts with typical mind games, call their bluff. Give them the possibility to sell while retaining your right to do so without commission…and see who gets the prize. My money is on you!

Monday, 8 July 2013

The Second Twenty - Plus one

Odd how it's turning out that these are batches of 21 - but that's fine, because they are closings!

And now, in no particular order, here they are:


1390 Coach Road - Town of Skaneateles - $405,000

28 Orchard Road - Village of Skaneateles - $251,000

3959 State Street Road - Town of Skaneateles - $289,895

1053 Jewett Road - Town of Skaneateles - $285,000

718 Sheldon Road - Town of Skaneateles - $430,000

4519 Jordan Road - Skaneateles Falls (Unincorporated Community) - $30,000

1 Highland Street - Village of Skaneateles - $142,000

3754 Fisher Road - Town of Skaneateles - $134,000

1275 Oak Bluff - Town of Skaneateles - $1,150,000

42 East Elizabeth Street - Village of Skaneateles - $305,500

3858 East Street - Town of Skaneateles - $164,900

50 West Lake Street - Village of Skaneateles - $816,000

2 Prentiss Drive - Village of Skaneateles - $570,000

2605 East Lake Road - Town of Skaneateles - $995,000

130 Locust Lane - Town of Spafford - $525,000

2445 East Lake Road - Town of Spafford - $975,000

3187 West Lake Road - Town of Skaneateles - $996,000

1562 Heifer Road - Town of Skaneateles - $270,000

1 Teasel Lane - Village of Skaneateles - $390,000

682 School Street - Skaneateles Falls - $60,000

2987 East Lake Road - Town of Skaneateles - $2,835,750







Saturday, 6 July 2013

Skaneateles Real Estate - The Long, Long Overdue Update

No, I have not gone to Alaska or Asia or Anywhere.  I have been here pounding the pavement with my buyers, hitting my cell phone constantly, and returning home way past when I should have gotten there.  All in a good cause - selling my listings and finding homes for my buyers.

Currently there are 100 single family homes in the Skaneateles area of the multiple listing service.  Of these, 27 are in the Village and 28 are waterfront.  Seven new homes have come on the market in the Village since I last reported (June 1st!) and 5 new waterfront listings have appeared.

Altogether 26 homes have been listed.  The lowest priced home is well into the lower $100,000. The high is almost 8 million (and yes, it is on the water.)  Three of the new ones are under $200,000 and four are above a million.  The median price is a relatively high $449,000.

Fourteen properties have gone under contract.  The median list price for those homes is just under $300,000.

We are well up there in sales.  At the mid-point of the year we have 42 properties sold and closed.  The median list price was $295,000.  Five were over a million dollars (list) and 12 were under $200,000. 

I am sitting in the office on a very muggy Saturday evening, inspired by a new buyer who just called and who will need statistics like these to understand the market.  I need statistics like these to understand it - but then, I have little time to sit back and reflect.  Today I had that chance, and I enjoyed it....but when the market is hot, as it has been this past month, it is time to jump and ask questions (or reflect) later.

Hopefully in the next week I will find more time to write out the Second Twenty of properties that have closed and their published prices.  If not, please bear with me - and come to Skaneateles to be part of the market!

Wednesday, 12 June 2013

Skaneateles Real Estate - The Long Overdue Update

I knew it had been a while, but I didn't think it was a month!  I have been busy, which is good.  I do like looking back this far because it shows trends more easily.

There are currently (only) 92 single family homes listed in the Skaneateles area of the multiple listing service.  Of these, 28 are in the Village and 29 are considered waterfront.

Since the last update on May 17th, 17 properties have come on the market.  Only one is a re-list.  Nine are waterfront, and seven are in the Village.  Three are multi-million dollar properties.  The new listings range from $279,000 (my Highland Ave. listing - a steal!) to an almost 8 million dollar waterfront estate.  Four of the Village homes are stately and large, and they range in price from $500,000 to almost $700,000.

Turning to the homes that have offers, there are 29 in this category.  Some are waiting for other homes to sell, but the vast majority have offers contingent on financing or attorneys' legal work.  Where the median price was somewhere around $600,000 in the new listings, the contingent homes' median price is about $300,000, or half that number.  A third are considered waterfront, similar to the percentage of all listings.

With all these high numbers being bandied about I expected to find a goodly number of closings, as well.  Instead I found five, all of them selling below $400,000.  In this case the median list price was in the mid-$200,000.  This means simply that, as we all know, the lower-priced homes sell quicker.  The pool of buyers is greater than the million dollar home-buyers.

We now have 31 homes that have sold so far this year.  Last year was a record-smashing year, and by this time there were 38 closings.  Interestingly enough, the median price was just about the same.  But there is a slow-down, and it can be felt in the number of showings requested in the past month.  There shouldn't be - we just re-financed our house to take advantage of the 2.9% rates because they are going up.  I believe everyone should get out there and BUY!  There are some fantastic homes in our wonderful Village, Town and on the lake!

Friday, 31 May 2013

New Listing and Open House Alert! 3862 Highland Ave

I love this house!  When I first got to Skaneateles I fell in love with Highland Ave, just outside the Village.  I thought there was a place I could walk the dogs (Anna and Sebastian then) and Alex would find friends.  It seemed so congenial - space between homes, large yards, small homes as well as larger ones.  Alas, there were none at the time I could afford, so I came as close to it as I could.  I still walked the dogs there, though, on the loop.

So here is your chance - 3862 Highland Ave, open Sunday from 1:00 to 3:00.  It has three real bedrooms but also the possibility of a fourth which could be part of an in-law suite on the entrance floor.  Two-car attached garage, LARGE inground pool, almost an acre (.99!) with privacy trees and a barely used road between you and the neighbors to the south.  Inside are hardwood floors, a wood-burning fireplace, kitchen with stainless steel appliances, and a sun room that was so bright when I took the photos I couldn't get a good shot of it!  The decks are great - so is the balcony off the master bedroom overlooking the pool.  Really.


So come and see - you will fall in love!  The price is $279,000 which is just under the assessment.  Taxes are more reasonable in Skaneateles as I've said before than other areas.  (Thank you waterfront properties and Welch Allyn!)  For more photos, please see the listing:  ML#S292041.  To get there, go east on Genesee Street in the Village and veer left up Onondaga. Turn left again outside the Village limits onto Highland and watch the numbers.  3862 is on the right hand side.  See you there!

Thursday, 23 May 2013

New Listing on the Lake


 The lot I have listed down Firelane 21B now has the possibility of a 1500sf. camp being built for it.  And for only $350,000 - brand new!

The owners have built several of the cottages on the road in the past 20 years and so we sat down to write up what it would cost for them - Lake Country Construction - to build another one on this lot.

The price floored me.  The camp would have a basement that could be a walkout.  Upstairs a bedroom, full bath, family/living room and kitchen.  The top floor would be left unfinished at this price, but could be a huge master suite or two bedrooms.  The camp was already built for someone else, so if you are very interested I can show you which one it is.

The beauty of this plan is that you get a totally new house that would contain your fixtures, your layout, your
choices.  Renovations cost more than new builds, in many cases, and trying to retrofit an old camp is difficult.  This one is a blank slate - you decorate it right from the start.  A wrap-around porch to take advantage of the views?  Of course it would cost more, but then - it's your choice!  Don't need a full block basement?  The owners will build the camp for $25,000 LESS and put it on piers.

Water will come from the lake (our very, very pure lake), the septic system will be in and functional at this price,
and the owners are local builders so they know the Town and codes and people.

Not a whole lot more information online, but the ML# is S291630.   I can sit with you and show you the plans, you can speak with the builders, and next year at this time you may be opening up your new seasonal cottage on the west side of Skaneateles Lake!